BD with close to stock bedfloor, backhalf, Need some ideas and pics.
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BD with close to stock bedfloor, backhalf, Need some ideas and pics.
dssur
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jon doesnt get mad, he just repos your truck in the middle of the night.
jon, do IRS, I am doing a sfbd S10 right now with an RX7 IRS and I doubt I will need to cut much more than the wheel arches, the rear suspension is that low...
jon, do IRS, I am doing a sfbd S10 right now with an RX7 IRS and I doubt I will need to cut much more than the wheel arches, the rear suspension is that low...
boilermaker
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Edited: 1/16/2007 11:05:24 AM by lowhoe
Edited: 1/16/2007 11:04:04 AM by lowhoe
Edited: 1/16/2007 11:04:04 AM by lowhoe
trashed
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Originally posted by Russ-D
Originally posted by trashed
Originally posted by Russ-D
actually thinking about it right now I dont see how it will work at all, the differing arc lengths will bind the axle and not rotate it. Its the same way you give someone an indian burn, each set of bars will be twisting different ways on the lower part of the axle.
some one educate me, but would that not be similar to a parallel 4 link, just that the top bars are under the axle also?
no, it would not work the same as a parallel 4 link because all 4 bars are acting on the same plane.
With a parallel 4 link, if the lower link drops and pushes back, the upper link drops and pulls forward. Since they are mounted on opposite sides of the axle, the axle rotates.
With that setup, when the lower bar drops and pushes back, the upper bar drops and pulls forward, but both on the same side of the axle tube. The rotation force is still in the center of the two bars, but the axle isnt, and it will try to pull itself apart.
Think of it only as push pull if you want, two different arcs of operation (have to be different because the bushings are not lined up) If the lower bar pushes and the upper bar pulls, what is happening to the axle tube?
If somehow it works, its the binding that is keeping the axle from flopping over backwards or forwards. Or he has found a pair of arcs that work well together and it is essentially a two link system with 4 bars and eight bushings.
I still would like to see a rockcrawler setup with all 4 on top. They have a lot of travel in their suspensions too. I'd almost bet there is a extra horst link in them to allow for the length changes between bars, or that the spring setup is actually a strut arrangement....
ok, i get it now, thanks!
Originally posted by trashed
Originally posted by Russ-D
actually thinking about it right now I dont see how it will work at all, the differing arc lengths will bind the axle and not rotate it. Its the same way you give someone an indian burn, each set of bars will be twisting different ways on the lower part of the axle.
some one educate me, but would that not be similar to a parallel 4 link, just that the top bars are under the axle also?
no, it would not work the same as a parallel 4 link because all 4 bars are acting on the same plane.
With a parallel 4 link, if the lower link drops and pushes back, the upper link drops and pulls forward. Since they are mounted on opposite sides of the axle, the axle rotates.
With that setup, when the lower bar drops and pushes back, the upper bar drops and pulls forward, but both on the same side of the axle tube. The rotation force is still in the center of the two bars, but the axle isnt, and it will try to pull itself apart.
Think of it only as push pull if you want, two different arcs of operation (have to be different because the bushings are not lined up) If the lower bar pushes and the upper bar pulls, what is happening to the axle tube?
If somehow it works, its the binding that is keeping the axle from flopping over backwards or forwards. Or he has found a pair of arcs that work well together and it is essentially a two link system with 4 bars and eight bushings.
I still would like to see a rockcrawler setup with all 4 on top. They have a lot of travel in their suspensions too. I'd almost bet there is a extra horst link in them to allow for the length changes between bars, or that the spring setup is actually a strut arrangement....
ok, i get it now, thanks!
boilermaker
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got a few more somewhere
PleasuresBurban
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Damn Chad your always up to something crazy geat work and pics
boilermaker
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trying to think outside the box!! Should make for hell of a spark show with 12 foot of rail on each side laying out!!
PleasuresBurban
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Edited: 1/16/2007 11:39:19 AM by PleasuresBurban
I have a question for you Chad..Why did u choose the suspension design that you did with the 2 links and wishbone? Just curious. (Truth is i have only ever used 2 links) And im going to do a 4 link now..And i want my suspension just about like that with the bags on the bars with the tubing holding the bag brackets ect.Just curious to why you used a wishbone ect. Trying to figuire out what is best for my needs is all. Thanks
I have a question for you Chad..Why did u choose the suspension design that you did with the 2 links and wishbone? Just curious. (Truth is i have only ever used 2 links) And im going to do a 4 link now..And i want my suspension just about like that with the bags on the bars with the tubing holding the bag brackets ect.Just curious to why you used a wishbone ect. Trying to figuire out what is best for my needs is all. Thanks
boilermaker
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The original plan called for a triangualted 4 link, but the big ass driveshaft Ford installed left some hurdles. WE ended up with the 3 link idea beings it was easy install, and seems to be working good as Sd.com sells thousands of them. I personally have never built one this was my first. But the design worked best with what I came up with on the frame. I am big fan of parrelel 4 link with watts, and will seldomly use a 2 link with a trac bar.
twisteddragger
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Originally posted by Russ-D
yes seth you are right, that system in the pics will work, the axle can rotate because they are not all mounted on the top, the lowers are mounted to the front. The system on the S10 will not, they are all mounted to the bottom.
The axle does rotate, but the point of rotation is between the bar pivots. I agree it is a bad idea, but it would work.
yes seth you are right, that system in the pics will work, the axle can rotate because they are not all mounted on the top, the lowers are mounted to the front. The system on the S10 will not, they are all mounted to the bottom.
The axle does rotate, but the point of rotation is between the bar pivots. I agree it is a bad idea, but it would work.
BADHABITMAN
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