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STUD1Y
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Originally posted by BabyYouWish
I highly disagree with that. Yes you can learn what is in style and what is popular this minute, but you can't just decide you want to design and say you're a designer. You have to know where you've been in order to know where you are going. Sure you can mess around with photoshop all day and add effects and filters to everything, but that doesn't mean it looks good.
If you are indeed a designer like you say you are, take a little more pride in your job man. It's NOT that easy. NOT everyone can do it, trust me, I see hacks on a daily basis.
and now you know why 90% of the trucks that are build look like garbage.
the general lack of talent and peoples sence of what FLOWS is retarted.
if you want to be a master craftsman, you need to learn the art. If you don't learn it you'll always just be a tracer. Just copying everything else you see and assume it's done right.
If you learn something and know how to do it then you can set the standard rather than following in everyone else's foot steps until you end up in quick sand.
I highly disagree with that. Yes you can learn what is in style and what is popular this minute, but you can't just decide you want to design and say you're a designer. You have to know where you've been in order to know where you are going. Sure you can mess around with photoshop all day and add effects and filters to everything, but that doesn't mean it looks good.
If you are indeed a designer like you say you are, take a little more pride in your job man. It's NOT that easy. NOT everyone can do it, trust me, I see hacks on a daily basis.
and now you know why 90% of the trucks that are build look like garbage.
the general lack of talent and peoples sence of what FLOWS is retarted.
if you want to be a master craftsman, you need to learn the art. If you don't learn it you'll always just be a tracer. Just copying everything else you see and assume it's done right.
If you learn something and know how to do it then you can set the standard rather than following in everyone else's foot steps until you end up in quick sand.
toreadorxlt
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Edited: 1/11/2007 2:18:27 PM by toreadorxlt
Edited: 1/11/2007 2:15:44 PM by toreadorxlt
Originally posted by i drg bdy
web/graphic/motion/etc. design can be learned by trial and error and learning what's in style.
I disagree with this statement. I believe that some people are truly born with that special something to make anything look badass. I deal with absurd amounts industrial designers day in and day out. There is alot more to design than trends, trial and error and whats in style. I have seen alot of mediocre designers (alot of these "rendering" companies on this site), But I have been working with designers who just drop my jaw with their talent...it goes beyond knowing a program well.
Anybody can buy a vinyl printer/cutter, throw some cheesy vector work out there to make a living. Thats not talent.
edit.... jey summed it up above me, but beat me to the punch. damnit.
Edited: 1/11/2007 2:15:44 PM by toreadorxlt
Originally posted by i drg bdy
web/graphic/motion/etc. design can be learned by trial and error and learning what's in style.
I disagree with this statement. I believe that some people are truly born with that special something to make anything look badass. I deal with absurd amounts industrial designers day in and day out. There is alot more to design than trends, trial and error and whats in style. I have seen alot of mediocre designers (alot of these "rendering" companies on this site), But I have been working with designers who just drop my jaw with their talent...it goes beyond knowing a program well.
Anybody can buy a vinyl printer/cutter, throw some cheesy vector work out there to make a living. Thats not talent.
edit.... jey summed it up above me, but beat me to the punch. damnit.
bdydrped
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Originally posted by STUD1Y
and now you know why 90% of the trucks that are build look like garbage.
if you want to be a master craftsman, you need to learn the art. If you don't learn it you'll always just be a tracer. Just copying everything else you see and assume it's done right..
cough* s10 cough*
hey hey maybe someday somebody will make one stick out.
no go to school.... dont be a fool
and now you know why 90% of the trucks that are build look like garbage.
if you want to be a master craftsman, you need to learn the art. If you don't learn it you'll always just be a tracer. Just copying everything else you see and assume it's done right..
cough* s10 cough*
hey hey maybe someday somebody will make one stick out.
no go to school.... dont be a fool
FreakwitaFro
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Edited: 1/11/2007 2:56:20 PM by FreakwitaFro
i go to a huge engineering school in WI(UW-Platteville). the school offers 7 different engineering degrees and the school works with you to get a job after you graduate. im goin for industrial engineering with a minor in metals. mechanical engineers use a lot of cad and other 3D imaging programs so maybe that might be somthin to look into. what ever you do though...just be sure that its somethin YOU want because you don't wanna waste money on somethin thats not gonna make you happy in the work place.
and oh yeah...at my school we just rent books...we don't have to buy ours! :-)
i go to a huge engineering school in WI(UW-Platteville). the school offers 7 different engineering degrees and the school works with you to get a job after you graduate. im goin for industrial engineering with a minor in metals. mechanical engineers use a lot of cad and other 3D imaging programs so maybe that might be somthin to look into. what ever you do though...just be sure that its somethin YOU want because you don't wanna waste money on somethin thats not gonna make you happy in the work place.
and oh yeah...at my school we just rent books...we don't have to buy ours! :-)
STUD1Y
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Originally posted by toreadorxlt
Anybody can buy a vinyl printer/cutter, throw some cheesy vector work out there to make a living. Thats not talent.
Bing-o.
but then again we have to remember the crowd we're dealing with.
Anybody can buy a vinyl printer/cutter, throw some cheesy vector work out there to make a living. Thats not talent.
Bing-o.
but then again we have to remember the crowd we're dealing with.
FreakwitaFro
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Edited: 1/11/2007 2:51:32 PM by FreakwitaFro
Originally posted by HOLCOMBE347
architects, engineers do, but before you decide you want to be one of those remember in ca. you have to work under one for 7 years and have a bachelors degree before you can even start taking your tests to become a licensed engineer or architect.
i was told they changed or are GOING to change the law. you can take your fe when you're a junior in college and you can take you PE after 4 years of field experience.
Originally posted by HOLCOMBE347
architects, engineers do, but before you decide you want to be one of those remember in ca. you have to work under one for 7 years and have a bachelors degree before you can even start taking your tests to become a licensed engineer or architect.
i was told they changed or are GOING to change the law. you can take your fe when you're a junior in college and you can take you PE after 4 years of field experience.
gorillagarage
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if you dont know what you want to go to school dont go many people make the mistake of going to school because thats what you do after high school and when your done your still going to be unhappy think about what you want to do 10-20 years down the line and then think if thats whats gonna take you torwards that direction. i plus a handful of freinds all have degrees and none of us are using them currently if your looking to relocate etc then you have more options
shortrodeo
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Originally posted by FreakwitaFro
Edited: 1/11/2007 2:51:32 PM by FreakwitaFro
Originally posted by HOLCOMBE347
architects, engineers do, but before you decide you want to be one of those remember in ca. you have to work under one for 7 years and have a bachelors degree before you can even start taking your tests to become a licensed engineer or architect.
i was told they changed or are GOING to change the law. you can take your fe when you're a junior in college and you can take you PE after 4 years of field experience.
When you are going to school you should have the opportunity to take your EIT (Engineer In Training) test usualy around your 3-4 year, You have to pass this test if you ever want to become a PE, but you dont have to pass this test to get your engineering degree. Then its 4 years working in the industry 2 of which have to be under a licenced PE. I belive you need more than 1 PE to vouch for you so working for a larger company helps because they are more likely to have muliple PEs working there. Then you can take your test to become a PE and stamp drawings.
If you dont go to school you can work in industry for 4 years and be eligible to take the EIT but would be very hard to pass without all the stuff they feed you in college. Then same as above to get your PE.
I thought about going down that road since I worked in industry for 3 years doing HVAC design/drafting, but have changed my goals.
I now work for the local HVAC rep doing sales engineering and product support. Much more interesting and exciting work IMO. Totaly different mentality doing sales engineering then paper engineering.
Edited: 1/11/2007 2:51:32 PM by FreakwitaFro
Originally posted by HOLCOMBE347
architects, engineers do, but before you decide you want to be one of those remember in ca. you have to work under one for 7 years and have a bachelors degree before you can even start taking your tests to become a licensed engineer or architect.
i was told they changed or are GOING to change the law. you can take your fe when you're a junior in college and you can take you PE after 4 years of field experience.
When you are going to school you should have the opportunity to take your EIT (Engineer In Training) test usualy around your 3-4 year, You have to pass this test if you ever want to become a PE, but you dont have to pass this test to get your engineering degree. Then its 4 years working in the industry 2 of which have to be under a licenced PE. I belive you need more than 1 PE to vouch for you so working for a larger company helps because they are more likely to have muliple PEs working there. Then you can take your test to become a PE and stamp drawings.
If you dont go to school you can work in industry for 4 years and be eligible to take the EIT but would be very hard to pass without all the stuff they feed you in college. Then same as above to get your PE.
I thought about going down that road since I worked in industry for 3 years doing HVAC design/drafting, but have changed my goals.
I now work for the local HVAC rep doing sales engineering and product support. Much more interesting and exciting work IMO. Totaly different mentality doing sales engineering then paper engineering.
IM_SAYIN
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Edited: 1/12/2007 2:00:35 AM by vision420
sorry shocker for bringing you into this. i was wrong to post that link in that same sentence without clairifying what I meant. I was just psyched for a chance to work with you, and was reppin it. Jey all I meant was you can learn alot by just getting a design program, and reading basic tutorials and trying stuff yourself, ofcourse that dosnt make you a "professional" because you can throw some HTML and Graphics together. But if you keep at it over time, and have some artistic ability and know how to work your program of choice (bootleg or not has nothing to do with anything), then there is no reason why someone couldnt build a website that is clean and professional and get payed for it. again, sorry shocker, i meant no disrespect to you or your company or wanted it to even be like this. you do sick ass work, and I fucked up posting that link, not knowing it wasnt meant to be seen. Jey I never told the guy to just say screw school and dont get a degree. I recommend he does actually, the market for web and graphic designers is alot bigger than it was 5-6 years ago when I started getting into it and it will deffinately give you an edge in the professional world. But I have been doing this stuff on and off for a long time, before web/graphic design became what it is today and I can make some nice stuff. I never went to a class, it was more of a hobby that I became pretty good at thru trial and error, and sorry to break it to you, but that does happen sometimes. Im not recommending someone who has no prior knowledge just go get a program and try to build websites/graphics and claim they are a professional web/graphic designer. But its bs someone just assumes right away without asking any questions first and turning a simple reply into a bunch of crap for no reason, but then again this is SSM and thats what some people here do best...
sorry shocker for bringing you into this. i was wrong to post that link in that same sentence without clairifying what I meant. I was just psyched for a chance to work with you, and was reppin it. Jey all I meant was you can learn alot by just getting a design program, and reading basic tutorials and trying stuff yourself, ofcourse that dosnt make you a "professional" because you can throw some HTML and Graphics together. But if you keep at it over time, and have some artistic ability and know how to work your program of choice (bootleg or not has nothing to do with anything), then there is no reason why someone couldnt build a website that is clean and professional and get payed for it. again, sorry shocker, i meant no disrespect to you or your company or wanted it to even be like this. you do sick ass work, and I fucked up posting that link, not knowing it wasnt meant to be seen. Jey I never told the guy to just say screw school and dont get a degree. I recommend he does actually, the market for web and graphic designers is alot bigger than it was 5-6 years ago when I started getting into it and it will deffinately give you an edge in the professional world. But I have been doing this stuff on and off for a long time, before web/graphic design became what it is today and I can make some nice stuff. I never went to a class, it was more of a hobby that I became pretty good at thru trial and error, and sorry to break it to you, but that does happen sometimes. Im not recommending someone who has no prior knowledge just go get a program and try to build websites/graphics and claim they are a professional web/graphic designer. But its bs someone just assumes right away without asking any questions first and turning a simple reply into a bunch of crap for no reason, but then again this is SSM and thats what some people here do best...
jmn444
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go to school, if for no other reason, it's the best partying and best sleeping in (if you schedule classes right) you'll ever have... I'd go back in a heartbeat if I could!!!