my truck has the standard upper plates like below.....the bottom plate is just a circle plate welded to the lower arm.....i have 3 inch drop spindles....even have stock length Sensa-trac shocks in stock location....its maybe an inch from laying out flat up front......the tire barely touches the a/c blower box when laid out....if i drove it all the way down it would destroy the a/c box but after a year and half its still good....its about to come off though cause in gonna cup my lower arms and body it